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Fighter Professor at the University of Delhi G. N. Siebaba
For
the unthinkable judicial adventures, the hassle of prison and
his state of health after all this is listed as follows
interview of the militant whose imprisonment had caused a wave
Support from all corners of the globe.
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How do you feel out of prison after so many years?
At first,
I never expected to imprison for so much. Before my conviction,
Within a period of three years, I was in prison for 17 months. After
The conviction, I stayed in prison for 7 years. Total, nearly 8.5
years in the last 10 years.
Still
And if one is guilty of some crime, it is huge
penalty. But in our case, for no reason or reason,
We were imprisoned for such a long time. Maybe nobody out too
Do not expect to suffer such hassle for so much. The criminal
Procedure has made a punishment in itself.
After
the first mandate [of the Supreme Court] for my release,
I had to spend almost another one and a half years in prison and succeed
Another order for liberation. Maybe this hadn't happened before
History of Indian Criminal Justice.
Without
An offense, this is a punishment for such a long time.
And I don't know another person who had to pass two
hearing procedures in a constitutional court for an appeal
against a penalty. This is something unheard of.
One can only think: Why is this happening in this country at this juncture? This is a big issue
.
How is your health now?
Ten
Years ago, when I was arrested, I had only effects of
Polyomyelitis as residues. My feet had been hurt by the
Polyomyelitis. For the rest, I was healthy. I did everything on my own,
Although I was in a wheelchair. I was helping Vasanda
(p.
parapoda
: Saybaba's wife.)
. I was moving quite freely without much concern for being disabled.
After I was thrown into prison, everything changed in my life.
Saybaba with his wife Vasanda Kumari. (Photo:
PTI
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WITH
)
First
I suffered from brachial plexus paralysis. There was a rupture of the nervous
system that connects the shoulder to the brain because of the
ill-treatment by the police when they kidnapped and arrested me. This
It hurt my shoulder. I can't lift my left hand. I can't
to do nothing with it. I can't keep a book.
Because of
of destruction of the nervous system, muscles were also affected
of the shoulder. Because of pulling and trauma, my left ribs
They were crowded and crushed. These hit the lungs. With the
Their turn, these affected my heart, and hit the left side
her. But my backbone was also affected, because the ribs
They were crushed in a small spot.
All
This side of my body has been affected. In the last 10 years,
I feel severe pain in my left arm and leg. Because of its destruction
nervous system and muscles, my left shoulder is paralyzed
completely.
Because of
The effect on my left lung, sleep apnea began. From the
Nose to the lungs, the path of breathing was affected. This
caused a obstructive sleep apnea. Because of this, I can't
sleep.
I have
suffer a state of the heart called hypertrophic
Cardiomyopathy, which had not been detected in any medicine
exam before I throw in prison. As a result of this, the left side
The heart works only with 55% of its ability. Began and
high blood pressure because the heart wall could not
push the blood quite a bit into my body.
That's all
In ten years, I developed a bladder in the brain. It is not much
serious, at present, however, could be done at any time
malignant.
Found
Also, kidney stones due to limited life and difficulties
movement without the possibility of exercise or any physical
activity in prison. Although the stones were crushed, cysts
formed in the right kidney.
I still developed bile stones due to a lack of feeding for long periods. This led to pancreatitis.
THE
list is endless. All of these diseases were developed in prison.
Until I went out there was no proper medical care these ten
years. Therefore, I suffer from multiple diseases.
He needs
Now to have this medical care. It all depends on how now,
After such a period of time, I will be able to run, and how many instruments
will remain affected and will be able to be carried out. This will
See.
The
Next days, I will be in hospitals for exams and treatments.
We do not know how much it will get and to what extent I will recover.
Why
You were not able to access proper medical care
in prison; Why were you not given a guarantee suspension, for medical
reasons;
THE
This suspension was rejected twice by the Supreme Court. However,
had been written in the decision to reject the suspension that I should have
Regular and appropriate medical care.
Nevertheless,
Prison authorities ignored and violated the decision. Although with
They sent to Nagpour Medical School several times, it was about
Something typical and rough. I was just going and returning. With this,
They showed that they were trying to provide me with treatment, but there was no
treatment.
If
See my medical history, you will see how medical care
It was avoided and not provided. In the end, just before I release, every
section wrote that [this treatment or medicine] are not available, not
We can do this, it's available elsewhere. Why doctors wrote
Only at the end of the ten years that they couldn't heal me? I will
They had to report it ten years ago.
Not
they did anything but to give me painkillers and put me
sleep. If the treatment was not available to them at the beginning of ten
years, they had to have written it and ask to be transferred to
A suitable hospital available.
Which one
Were the biggest challenges you encountered in prison? How do you
Did prison staff behave and detainees?
The detainees were very helpful. They were very kind. They wanted to be with me all the time, even though I was in a 'Ada' cell
(p.
parapoda
:
Cell in the highest safety wing, in oval form within the rest
Prison, no light, with minimal ventilation and small space for movement.)
, where very few - fewer than 10 - could have contact with me when I was not locked in the cell.
THE
Picture that prison authorities and state mechanism were trying
to give it was that I was somebody's notorious terrorist - a
"Brain" of international Maoism. Each type of characterization
used to terrorize prisoners, officers
of prison and the guards. They wanted to keep me isolated.
Not
They said none of this in front of me. But if a guard was coming
For service in Ada, they were told in advance “Don't talk to this
atom. Keep away away. Don't spend time with him. We have instructions from the
Above that this man is very dangerous. Will change your
Mind and you won't even understand it. "
To
prisoners also said behind my back not to come to
me and not spend their time with them. The upper ones spread
These things and gave corresponding commands.
Nevertheless
None of this was believed by the guards or the
Prisoners. He was always with me. They always wanted to be taught
things from me and spend time with me. Here's why, whichever
Even if the prison authorities made efforts from above, they did not
never materialized. Prisoners and prison staff
They understood what kind of person I am. They loved talking to me.
There was a great distance between what the authorities wanted to do to me and what really happened.
But because prison is a structure of 19
Th
century, which the British had made, there was no accessibility or
Comfort or elementary provisions to live as a human being.
Everyone had to live in inhumane conditions. And I had to live with
Too many restrictions - less and by inhumane - because the
My wheelchair was not moving, they had to carry me in the
Toilet, get me with their hands.
Felt
that my dignity was being violated. They attacked the human condition
my. It was a contempt for the very human condition the way that
They created these conditions and forced me to live. You must
You fight to keep living.
How did you spend your time in prison? How did you keep in touch with developments in the outside world?
THE
Vasanda was sending me books. I was buying English newspapers with my own
charge. Beyond that, my vase sent prints from electronic
media and wrote letters to me, informing me of what
They were happening outside. This was the only way out.
There is
A mulakat [visit] but it is very short. You can only
wish the formalities and time is running out. The only way was letters
from Vasanta and all the materials she sent, perhaps a thousand books
brought all these years, from Delhi to Nagpur and, since the
I was reading, he was taking them back. He did everything possible to provide for me
Information on current affairs, knowledge, books and magazines. It was the
only way I could know what's going on outside of them
four walls;
One
The book I really liked was "Leila" by Prayag Akbar and, from
the most recent, by K.R. Mira, "The Killer". I really liked the
literature. I also read philosophy a lot. I also liked her philosopher
economics Tomás Piketty. I read his recent books "Capital and
Ideology" and "A Brief History of Equality". Among historians,
I was reading from D.D. Kosabi
(p.
parapoda
: Was distinguished for the emphasis on the study of history on the basis of the dynamic evolution of socio -economic formations.)
And, of the most recent, Aidter Singing
(p.
parapoda
: Exploring ancient and early medieval India.)
and the nagot Lahiri
(p.
parapoda
: With research field of ancient India.)
, as well as Romila Tapap
(p.
parapoda
: With a field of research also ancient India.)
.
I read a plethora of books - from scientifically science fiction.
"Cell Song" is a book I recently read
(p.
parapoda
: Authored by Indian-American physician and biologist Siddhartha Mukherjee.)
.
How did you keep psychologically during this test?
Each
I was reading, writing and teaching the detainees. Filter
Every day with activities and I was employed from morning to afternoon
Doing all this.
To
Prison, all prisoners apply to the courts. From
Supreme and the Supreme Court as the Criminal Courts and the
Peace Courts. But few can write. Whichever can
Write in English, it is in high demand. I spent most time
compiling such applications.
There were
so many who didn't go out for a long time with a guarantee
And they had no lawyer. You had to write applications for them and then
They would send it and get some relief. That was another one
activity that took time.
You have been arrested
Because you were supposed to have extreme views. What exactly is the cosmopolitanism
And your ideology? Changed, in any way, the last ten
years?
My ideas and my belief system have been the same since I was a student. There is absolutely nothing to change.
As to
They call these ideas extreme are the same extremes. Who are they
Those who characterize a terrorist man? We must see
Because they do it and why they call me a terrorist.
G. N. Sieba at his residence in Delhi.
(Photo:
Vineet Bhalla)
I have
a public life. I was talking and writing intensively. I had a life as a public
face. Everyone knows what I am. To believe in humanity and
In social progress, is this extremist view?
You regret,
somehow, because you were in favor of marginalized
Communities or had you been united with some people and organizations?
Now that you are free after so long, you will resume the
The job of defense of them in which you used to be?
Basically,
I am a teacher. After that, alongside that, I am a supporter
of human rights. I believe everyone who has the ability to
understand the world and what surrounds them and perceive them
marginalization procedures and marginalized sections of
society have the responsibility to talk about them and stand at
their side. If we do not do this as responsible citizens, perhaps not
We do what we should in our lives.
Not
It's just that I think I have to do this project. I believe that
Anyone who has any ability and advantage over those who
people are and remain marginalized they should do
this project. This is something that cannot be described as a
It cannot be stopped.
The
My work is legal. I work in the public sphere. In spite of disability
me, I have made a space for my work for people. Not
I regret at all.
Not
They arrested me and didn't call me as a terrorist because my work
was wrong. Various forces are afraid that I can highlight the
Truth of how some people are marginalized and how the
marginalization. They do not want this project to continue. For why with
They put behind the railings for such a long time.
You are
professor. What about your career now? You have submitted
Request at the University of Delhi to re -order you? You are looking for a position
Professor elsewhere?
The
My lawyers are dealing with the issue. I would like to wait and see
What the lawyers and the administration of the University can do.
As
I have been a teacher all my life, I would like to continue until I
I die. My lawyers and colleagues work in order to
See what can be done.
You have been arrested
by the Maharastra Police when in the state government
was the united progressive alliance led by the Indian national
Congress. Two years ago, when you had got rid of the upper
Court of Mumbai was immediately appealed by her government
Maharastra, in which the National Democratic Alliance was located
It consists of Sib you
(p.
parapoda
: Sivazi's army - is considered the founder of the Marata Empire in 17
The
century -, right -wing supranationalist and party of the caste of the Marata, which
Founded in 1966 with a great history of murder of Democrats and generally
dissidents.)
and the Indian People's Party
(p.
parapoda
: B
JP
, the ruling party at the pan-India level, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.)
. Even now, the Government of Maharastra, Sib Sena and his
BJP
, appeal against your exemption. It seems that both of the biggest political parties are against you.
Do you believe in a party? When you were in prison, did a political leader approach you to help you?
To
Prison, no. When I was out, there were many individuals. GG of kki
D. Raja, GG of KKI (Marxist) Sitharam Getsouri, Ani Raja
of kki. Many MPs from the South, Bihar and Bengal
Against this situation, of all parties, perhaps except for
Rulers of parties in a state or center at that time. The
More spoke and wrote publicly in my support. They did
Instructions within Parliament and made requests outside.
Not
is that all political parties characterized me with a particular
way. I was arrested a few days before the final phase of the election for
Lower House (Locke Sampha) in 2014. I'm releasing now, just before the
Elections again for Locke Sampha. A complete ten -year cycle has
Complete.
Not
I know what views the political parties have. But individual
Members, at central and state level, various parties
They were unequivocally placed against my arrest and know the
injustice against me and the reasons why they involved me in a
Such a case.
The
things are complex and not white or black. There are gray
Shades, there are brighter colors, a range of colors. Not
We can say that all political parties turned against me
and my co -defendants.
When
You were acquitted in 2022, the next day the Supreme Court
suspended your release at a special meeting. How did you feel when
They all happened when you learned that you would get rid of, before it was taken
Back and that? Are afraid that the Supreme Court may cancel the
Exemption?
Your
I already said that this process of double acquittal is a rare
procedure. I asked prominent lawyers as well as if something like that had
Ever happens again. No one could report a similar case.
Never
I did not lose hope that I would be justified. Although justification was late and my
deprived her with this delay, I hoped that one day, one can
to see the light in the tunnel.
Not
I have any fear or suspicion that the supreme judicial institution will eventually
stand by side of injustice. Therefore I do not have any concern for
I am again.
I am aware
that these things happened because of the specific historians
Developments in India over the last decade and the kind of pressure that the
Justice exists. That's why I describe all this as a test.
When
The Supreme Court ordered a suspension of my release in 2022,
I was sure that this suspension could not be able to afford it, because
Legally it did not stand. The suspension itself was unheard of in legal time.
But this particular decision that deducted us was legally stood and
It was clear.
When
The criminal procedure goes wrong, and this was determined by a
Constitutional Court, there is no need for another constitutional
court to study what was deposited as evidence. When the same
process is wrong, no item can be admissible
and be right. The exemption order was based on the themselves
Supreme Court decisions and the case -law developed on
A series of decades from the work of the Supreme Court.
How
May the Supreme Court deny the evolution of its own
Jurisprudence? I had not believed that the suspension would stand. However, I am
happy today that the Supreme Court investigated the evidence
material as well as the criminal procedure and characterized both of them
incorrectly. Clearly ruled about it, with a historical decision, which would
It is useful in the further evolution of case law in this country.
To
Because I say I had to get through the test of fire twice.
But this was not a test of fire only for me and
co -defendants. It was also a test for the superior
Judicial Institutions as well. In this case they were suffocating
because of the ubiquitous pressure by various forces. However, they passed the
trial successfully and attributed justice, even though she was delayed a lot
and nothing can compensate the injustice that occurred with the
delay.
Together with senior judges we had to suffer Agni Pariska
(p.
parapoda
: Testing of fire with self -reliance, in Indian literature.)
And we passed it successfully. Future generations will appreciate its results.
THE
Your durability and optimism are typical. The last ten
Years, you should feel extremely upset and helpless
because of injustice at various times. How did you deal with these
Feelings and how did you develop such endurance?
Taught Cambir
(p.
parapoda
: Poet and important figure in Hinduism, Sikhs and Islam, especially Sufism. On 15
The
century became known for his criticism of organized religion and
religions, questioning the meaning and ethics of the practices of everyone
of religions. He said that the truth is with the one walking on the road
of justice and abandoned the "I".)
at the university of
Delhi. I love Cambir. I asked Vasanda to bring me a bell
again. He brought me many books - various poems. Therefore the Cambir
He gave me hope.
If
See them antibassis, Dalit, minorities - a huge section
of prisoners, what do they face, you will see that, nevertheless, have
Hope in life. Treated as completely inhumane. However they have
Hope they will come out. I learned from them there.
Writing poems and letters, writing many things also gave me hope.
I passed
And moments of melancholy, especially during the period of pandemic. Were the two
Very prolonged periods of Locke Daho in prison.
Imagine how is a Locke Down in prison, where everything and
All life is already in Locke Down. Those days, the
Letters and all kinds of communication stopped. They stopped the
Newspapers and books.
After
From some time, only five-minute phone conversations
were allowed. Only to let me know if I contracted coronavirus or not, or if the
Members of my family got stuck. How many died, how many will die?
How many are alive – only this kind of information could be
has been in such a short conversation.
THE
melancholy was imprinted on one of my poems that I wrote for
Hundreds of thousands of workers who had to go on foot from
Cities in their villages due to the announcement of sudden LOC enforcement
Down. There were no means of transport available and they had to walk
Hundreds of kilometers and many died on the way.
When my wife told me this news over the phone, it was a very hard hit. I couldn't sleep.
Near
A detainee taught me by phone that his mother died from
Coronovirus. A few days later, he learned that his father died of
Coronovirus. After a few days, his brother died. Stayed at
Prison alone.
These were some of the most depressing moments.
Some
Other developments that occurred in the outside world - news for
Lunnies I was disturbed. Before I am imprisoned, I did not often hear about
Lunnies and mobs of mobs for no reason. I had read
In the American story of black people's lunches and before
These, local Indians. But this kind of public lynching
In India, I didn't have it so much. This also caused me
melancholy.
Who do you blame for your inconvenience? What kind of accountability would you like to see?
Look,
When the state operates without the same respecting the laws and
There is some intention to help the powerful, this is the case. She
At the moment, I do not blame any individual person. It does not mean that
There are no individuals responsible for this illegal,
Made of a case that was intended to imprison people for a long time.
I'm not the only victim in history. I am also a victim, however, over
From this, this is a political affair.
Therefore,
At some point, from the story, one will know who is
responsible for this kind of imprisonment, injustices and barbaric attacks
in human rights.
What kind of reforms do you think are needed in criminal justice and prison system?
This
It's a big issue that wants hours to answer. I can say
only one thing: first, laws do not apply as they have been written
to apply. Many laws are not in agreement with the Constitution.
They are unconstitutional, especially the Draconian laws. When you do something
Such, the laws are turning against democracy and the Constitution.
Is
Naive to say that the law is abused. They themselves
Laws abuse the Constitution, therefore, by showing as responsible
the police officer or the politician, we lose the
important. The whole system works in this way.
They create
Laws in such a way that one can only abuse them.
Cannot be used otherwise. The whole system must
change. What kind of laws do we have and why is the Constitution? When
Do you pass laws against constitutional provisions? All this must
change.
Translation by
English
parapoda
. For more about the prosecution of Saipaba, the popular movements and the People's War in India, see p.
here
and
here
.