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      Fighter Professor at the University of Delhi G. N. Siebaba
     
    For 
  the unthinkable judicial adventures, the hassle of prison and 
 his state of health after all this is listed as follows 
 interview of the militant whose imprisonment had caused a wave 
 Support from all corners of the globe.
   
    ***
   
     How do you feel out of prison after so many years?
    
   At first, 
  I never expected to imprison for so much. Before my conviction, 
 Within a period of three years, I was in prison for 17 months. After 
 The conviction, I stayed in prison for 7 years. Total, nearly 8.5 
 years in the last 10 years.
  
   Still 
  And if one is guilty of some crime, it is huge 
 penalty. But in our case, for no reason or reason, 
 We were imprisoned for such a long time. Maybe nobody out too 
 Do not expect to suffer such hassle for so much. The criminal 
 Procedure has made a punishment in itself.
  
   After 
  the first mandate [of the Supreme Court] for my release, 
 I had to spend almost another one and a half years in prison and succeed 
  Another order for liberation. Maybe this hadn't happened before 
 History of Indian Criminal Justice.
  
   Without 
  An offense, this is a punishment for such a long time. 
  And I don't know another person who had to pass two 
 hearing procedures in a constitutional court for an appeal 
 against a penalty. This is something unheard of.
  
   One can only think: Why is this happening in this country at this juncture? This is a big issue
  
    .
   
     How is your health now?
    
   Ten 
  Years ago, when I was arrested, I had only effects of 
 Polyomyelitis as residues. My feet had been hurt by the 
 Polyomyelitis. For the rest, I was healthy. I did everything on my own, 
 Although I was in a wheelchair. I was helping Vasanda
   
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     : Saybaba's wife.)
    
    . I was moving quite freely without much concern for being disabled.
   
   After I was thrown into prison, everything changed in my life.
  
      Saybaba with his wife Vasanda Kumari. (Photo:
     
       PTI
      
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   First
 I suffered from brachial plexus paralysis. There was a rupture of the nervous 
system that connects the shoulder to the brain because of the 
ill-treatment by the police when they kidnapped and arrested me. This
 It hurt my shoulder. I can't lift my left hand. I can't
 to do nothing with it. I can't keep a book.
  
   Because of
 of destruction of the nervous system, muscles were also affected 
of the shoulder. Because of pulling and trauma, my left ribs
 They were crowded and crushed. These hit the lungs. With the 
Their turn, these affected my heart, and hit the left side 
her. But my backbone was also affected, because the ribs 
They were crushed in a small spot.
  
   All
 This side of my body has been affected. In the last 10 years, 
I feel severe pain in my left arm and leg. Because of its destruction 
nervous system and muscles, my left shoulder is paralyzed 
completely.
  
   Because of 
  The effect on my left lung, sleep apnea began. From the 
 Nose to the lungs, the path of breathing was affected. This 
 caused a obstructive sleep apnea. Because of this, I can't 
 sleep.
  
   I have 
  suffer a state of the heart called hypertrophic 
 Cardiomyopathy, which had not been detected in any medicine 
 exam before I throw in prison. As a result of this, the left side 
 The heart works only with 55% of its ability. Began and 
 high blood pressure because the heart wall could not 
 push the blood quite a bit into my body.
  
   That's all 
  In ten years, I developed a bladder in the brain. It is not much 
 serious, at present, however, could be done at any time 
 malignant.
  
   Found
 Also, kidney stones due to limited life and difficulties 
movement without the possibility of exercise or any physical 
activity in prison. Although the stones were crushed, cysts 
formed in the right kidney.
  
   I still developed bile stones due to a lack of feeding for long periods. This led to pancreatitis.
  
   THE 
  list is endless. All of these diseases were developed in prison. 
 Until I went out there was no proper medical care these ten 
 years. Therefore, I suffer from multiple diseases.
  
   He needs 
  Now to have this medical care. It all depends on how now, 
  After such a period of time, I will be able to run, and how many instruments 
  will remain affected and will be able to be carried out. This will 
 See.
  
   The 
  Next days, I will be in hospitals for exams and treatments. 
 We do not know how much it will get and to what extent I will recover.
  
    Why 
  You were not able to access proper medical care 
 in prison; Why were you not given a guarantee suspension, for medical 
 reasons;
   
   THE 
  This suspension was rejected twice by the Supreme Court. However, 
 had been written in the decision to reject the suspension that I should have 
 Regular and appropriate medical care.
  
   Nevertheless, 
  Prison authorities ignored and violated the decision. Although with 
 They sent to Nagpour Medical School several times, it was about 
 Something typical and rough. I was just going and returning. With this, 
 They showed that they were trying to provide me with treatment, but there was no 
 treatment.
  
   If 
  See my medical history, you will see how medical care 
 It was avoided and not provided. In the end, just before I release, every 
 section wrote that [this treatment or medicine] are not available, not 
 We can do this, it's available elsewhere. Why doctors wrote 
 Only at the end of the ten years that they couldn't heal me? I will 
 They had to report it ten years ago.
  
   Not 
  they did anything but to give me painkillers and put me 
 sleep. If the treatment was not available to them at the beginning of ten 
 years, they had to have written it and ask to be transferred to 
 A suitable hospital available.
  
    Which one 
  Were the biggest challenges you encountered in prison? How do you 
 Did prison staff behave and detainees?
   
   The detainees were very helpful. They were very kind. They wanted to be with me all the time, even though I was in a 'Ada' cell
   
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     parapoda
    
    : 
  Cell in the highest safety wing, in oval form within the rest 
 Prison, no light, with minimal ventilation and small space for movement.)
   
   , where very few - fewer than 10 - could have contact with me when I was not locked in the cell.
  
   THE 
  Picture that prison authorities and state mechanism were trying 
 to give it was that I was somebody's notorious terrorist - a 
 "Brain" of international Maoism. Each type of characterization 
 used to terrorize prisoners, officers 
 of prison and the guards. They wanted to keep me isolated.
  
   Not 
  They said none of this in front of me. But if a guard was coming 
  For service in Ada, they were told in advance “Don't talk to this 
 atom. Keep away away. Don't spend time with him. We have instructions from the 
  Above that this man is very dangerous. Will change your 
 Mind and you won't even understand it. "
  
   To 
  prisoners also said behind my back not to come to 
 me and not spend their time with them. The upper ones spread 
 These things and gave corresponding commands.
  
   Nevertheless
 None of this was believed by the guards or the 
Prisoners. He was always with me. They always wanted to be taught 
things from me and spend time with me. Here's why, whichever 
Even if the prison authorities made efforts from above, they did not 
never materialized. Prisoners and prison staff 
They understood what kind of person I am. They loved talking to me.
  
   There was a great distance between what the authorities wanted to do to me and what really happened.
  
   But because prison is a structure of 19
   
    Th
   
   century, which the British had made, there was no accessibility or 
  Comfort or elementary provisions to live as a human being. 
 Everyone had to live in inhumane conditions. And I had to live with 
 Too many restrictions - less and by inhumane - because the 
 My wheelchair was not moving, they had to carry me in the 
 Toilet, get me with their hands.
  
   Felt
 that my dignity was being violated. They attacked the human condition 
my. It was a contempt for the very human condition the way that 
They created these conditions and forced me to live. You must 
You fight to keep living.
  
    How did you spend your time in prison? How did you keep in touch with developments in the outside world?
   
   THE 
  Vasanda was sending me books. I was buying English newspapers with my own 
 charge. Beyond that, my vase sent prints from electronic 
 media and wrote letters to me, informing me of what 
 They were happening outside. This was the only way out.
  
   There is
 A mulakat [visit] but it is very short. You can only 
wish the formalities and time is running out. The only way was letters
 from Vasanta and all the materials she sent, perhaps a thousand books 
brought all these years, from Delhi to Nagpur and, since the 
I was reading, he was taking them back. He did everything possible to provide for me 
Information on current affairs, knowledge, books and magazines. It was the 
only way I could know what's going on outside of them
 four walls;
  
   One
 The book I really liked was "Leila" by Prayag Akbar and, from 
the most recent, by K.R. Mira, "The Killer". I really liked the 
literature. I also read philosophy a lot. I also liked her philosopher 
economics Tomás Piketty. I read his recent books "Capital and 
Ideology" and "A Brief History of Equality". Among historians,
 I was reading from D.D. Kosabi
   
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     parapoda
    
    : Was distinguished for the emphasis on the study of history on the basis of the dynamic evolution of socio -economic formations.)
   
   And, of the most recent, Aidter Singing
   
    (p.
   
     parapoda
    
    : Exploring ancient and early medieval India.)
   
   and the nagot Lahiri
   
    (p.
   
     parapoda
    
    : With research field of ancient India.)
   
   , as well as Romila Tapap
   
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     parapoda
    
    : With a field of research also ancient India.)
   
   . 
  I read a plethora of books - from scientifically science fiction. 
 "Cell Song" is a book I recently read
   
    (p.
   
     parapoda
    
    : Authored by Indian-American physician and biologist Siddhartha Mukherjee.)
   
   .
  
    How did you keep psychologically during this test?
   
   Each 
  I was reading, writing and teaching the detainees. Filter 
 Every day with activities and I was employed from morning to afternoon 
  Doing all this.
  
   To 
  Prison, all prisoners apply to the courts. From 
 Supreme and the Supreme Court as the Criminal Courts and the 
 Peace Courts. But few can write. Whichever can 
 Write in English, it is in high demand. I spent most time 
 compiling such applications.
  
   There were 
  so many who didn't go out for a long time with a guarantee 
 And they had no lawyer. You had to write applications for them and then 
 They would send it and get some relief. That was another one 
 activity that took time.
  
    You have been arrested 
  Because you were supposed to have extreme views. What exactly is the cosmopolitanism 
  And your ideology? Changed, in any way, the last ten 
 years?
   
   My ideas and my belief system have been the same since I was a student. There is absolutely nothing to change.
  
   As to 
  They call these ideas extreme are the same extremes. Who are they 
 Those who characterize a terrorist man? We must see 
 Because they do it and why they call me a terrorist.
  
      G. N. Sieba at his residence in Delhi.
     
     (Photo:
    
      Vineet Bhalla)
     
   I have 
  a public life. I was talking and writing intensively. I had a life as a public 
 face. Everyone knows what I am. To believe in humanity and 
 In social progress, is this extremist view?
  
    You regret, 
  somehow, because you were in favor of marginalized 
 Communities or had you been united with some people and organizations? 
 Now that you are free after so long, you will resume the 
 The job of defense of them in which you used to be?
   
   Basically, 
  I am a teacher. After that, alongside that, I am a supporter 
 of human rights. I believe everyone who has the ability to 
  understand the world and what surrounds them and perceive them 
 marginalization procedures and marginalized sections of 
 society have the responsibility to talk about them and stand at 
 their side. If we do not do this as responsible citizens, perhaps not 
 We do what we should in our lives.
  
   Not 
  It's just that I think I have to do this project. I believe that 
 Anyone who has any ability and advantage over those who 
 people are and remain marginalized they should do 
 this project. This is something that cannot be described as a 
 It cannot be stopped.
  
   The 
  My work is legal. I work in the public sphere. In spite of disability 
 me, I have made a space for my work for people. Not 
 I regret at all.
  
   Not 
  They arrested me and didn't call me as a terrorist because my work 
 was wrong. Various forces are afraid that I can highlight the 
 Truth of how some people are marginalized and how the 
  marginalization. They do not want this project to continue. For why with 
 They put behind the railings for such a long time.
  
    You are 
  professor. What about your career now? You have submitted 
 Request at the University of Delhi to re -order you? You are looking for a position 
 Professor elsewhere?
   
   The 
  My lawyers are dealing with the issue. I would like to wait and see 
 What the lawyers and the administration of the University can do.
  
   As 
  I have been a teacher all my life, I would like to continue until I 
 I die. My lawyers and colleagues work in order to 
 See what can be done.
  
    You have been arrested 
  by the Maharastra Police when in the state government 
 was the united progressive alliance led by the Indian national 
 Congress. Two years ago, when you had got rid of the upper 
 Court of Mumbai was immediately appealed by her government 
 Maharastra, in which the National Democratic Alliance was located 
 It consists of Sib you
   
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      parapoda
     
     : Sivazi's army - is considered the founder of the Marata Empire in 17
    
      The
     
     century -, right -wing supranationalist and party of the caste of the Marata, which 
 Founded in 1966 with a great history of murder of Democrats and generally 
 dissidents.)
    
    and the Indian People's Party
   
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      parapoda
     
     : B
    
      JP
     
     , the ruling party at the pan-India level, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.)
    
    . Even now, the Government of Maharastra, Sib Sena and his
   
     BJP
    
    , appeal against your exemption. It seems that both of the biggest political parties are against you.
   
    Do you believe in a party? When you were in prison, did a political leader approach you to help you?
   
   To 
  Prison, no. When I was out, there were many individuals. GG of kki 
  D. Raja, GG of KKI (Marxist) Sitharam Getsouri, Ani Raja 
 of kki. Many MPs from the South, Bihar and Bengal 
 Against this situation, of all parties, perhaps except for 
 Rulers of parties in a state or center at that time. The 
 More spoke and wrote publicly in my support. They did 
 Instructions within Parliament and made requests outside.
  
   Not 
  is that all political parties characterized me with a particular 
 way. I was arrested a few days before the final phase of the election for 
  Lower House (Locke Sampha) in 2014. I'm releasing now, just before the 
 Elections again for Locke Sampha. A complete ten -year cycle has 
 Complete.
  
   Not 
  I know what views the political parties have. But individual 
 Members, at central and state level, various parties 
 They were unequivocally placed against my arrest and know the 
 injustice against me and the reasons why they involved me in a 
  Such a case.
  
   The 
  things are complex and not white or black. There are gray 
 Shades, there are brighter colors, a range of colors. Not 
 We can say that all political parties turned against me 
 and my co -defendants.
  
    When 
  You were acquitted in 2022, the next day the Supreme Court 
 suspended your release at a special meeting. How did you feel when 
 They all happened when you learned that you would get rid of, before it was taken 
 Back and that? Are afraid that the Supreme Court may cancel the 
 Exemption?
   
   Your 
  I already said that this process of double acquittal is a rare 
 procedure. I asked prominent lawyers as well as if something like that had 
 Ever happens again. No one could report a similar case.
  
   Never 
  I did not lose hope that I would be justified. Although justification was late and my 
 deprived her with this delay, I hoped that one day, one can 
  to see the light in the tunnel.
  
   Not 
  I have any fear or suspicion that the supreme judicial institution will eventually 
 stand by side of injustice. Therefore I do not have any concern for 
 I am again.
  
   I am aware 
  that these things happened because of the specific historians 
 Developments in India over the last decade and the kind of pressure that the 
  Justice exists. That's why I describe all this as a test.
  
   When 
  The Supreme Court ordered a suspension of my release in 2022, 
 I was sure that this suspension could not be able to afford it, because 
 Legally it did not stand. The suspension itself was unheard of in legal time. 
 But this particular decision that deducted us was legally stood and 
 It was clear.
  
   When 
  The criminal procedure goes wrong, and this was determined by a 
 Constitutional Court, there is no need for another constitutional 
 court to study what was deposited as evidence. When the same 
  process is wrong, no item can be admissible 
 and be right. The exemption order was based on the themselves 
 Supreme Court decisions and the case -law developed on 
  A series of decades from the work of the Supreme Court.
  
   How 
  May the Supreme Court deny the evolution of its own 
 Jurisprudence? I had not believed that the suspension would stand. However, I am 
 happy today that the Supreme Court investigated the evidence 
 material as well as the criminal procedure and characterized both of them 
 incorrectly. Clearly ruled about it, with a historical decision, which would 
  It is useful in the further evolution of case law in this country.
  
   To 
  Because I say I had to get through the test of fire twice. 
 But this was not a test of fire only for me and 
 co -defendants. It was also a test for the superior 
 Judicial Institutions as well. In this case they were suffocating 
 because of the ubiquitous pressure by various forces. However, they passed the 
 trial successfully and attributed justice, even though she was delayed a lot 
  and nothing can compensate the injustice that occurred with the 
 delay.
  
   Together with senior judges we had to suffer Agni Pariska
   
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     parapoda
    
    : Testing of fire with self -reliance, in Indian literature.)
   
   And we passed it successfully. Future generations will appreciate its results.
  
    THE 
  Your durability and optimism are typical. The last ten 
 Years, you should feel extremely upset and helpless 
 because of injustice at various times. How did you deal with these 
 Feelings and how did you develop such endurance?
   
   Taught Cambir
   
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     parapoda
    
    : Poet and important figure in Hinduism, Sikhs and Islam, especially Sufism. On 15
   
     The
    
    century became known for his criticism of organized religion and 
 religions, questioning the meaning and ethics of the practices of everyone 
 of religions. He said that the truth is with the one walking on the road 
 of justice and abandoned the "I".)
   
   at the university of 
 Delhi. I love Cambir. I asked Vasanda to bring me a bell 
 again. He brought me many books - various poems. Therefore the Cambir 
 He gave me hope.
  
   If 
  See them antibassis, Dalit, minorities - a huge section 
 of prisoners, what do they face, you will see that, nevertheless, have 
 Hope in life. Treated as completely inhumane. However they have 
 Hope they will come out. I learned from them there.
  
   Writing poems and letters, writing many things also gave me hope.
  
   I passed 
  And moments of melancholy, especially during the period of pandemic. Were the two 
 Very prolonged periods of Locke Daho in prison. 
 Imagine how is a Locke Down in prison, where everything and 
 All life is already in Locke Down. Those days, the 
 Letters and all kinds of communication stopped. They stopped the 
 Newspapers and books.
  
   After
 From some time, only five-minute phone conversations 
were allowed. Only to let me know if I contracted coronavirus or not, or if the 
Members of my family got stuck. How many died, how many will die? 
How many are alive – only this kind of information could be 
has been in such a short conversation.
  
   THE 
  melancholy was imprinted on one of my poems that I wrote for 
 Hundreds of thousands of workers who had to go on foot from 
 Cities in their villages due to the announcement of sudden LOC enforcement 
 Down. There were no means of transport available and they had to walk 
 Hundreds of kilometers and many died on the way.
  
   When my wife told me this news over the phone, it was a very hard hit. I couldn't sleep.
  
   Near 
  A detainee taught me by phone that his mother died from 
 Coronovirus. A few days later, he learned that his father died of 
 Coronovirus. After a few days, his brother died. Stayed at 
 Prison alone.
  
   These were some of the most depressing moments.
  
   Some 
  Other developments that occurred in the outside world - news for 
 Lunnies I was disturbed. Before I am imprisoned, I did not often hear about 
 Lunnies and mobs of mobs for no reason. I had read 
 In the American story of black people's lunches and before 
 These, local Indians. But this kind of public lynching 
 In India, I didn't have it so much. This also caused me 
 melancholy.
  
    Who do you blame for your inconvenience? What kind of accountability would you like to see?
   
   Look, 
  When the state operates without the same respecting the laws and 
 There is some intention to help the powerful, this is the case. She 
 At the moment, I do not blame any individual person. It does not mean that 
 There are no individuals responsible for this illegal, 
 Made of a case that was intended to imprison people for a long time. 
  I'm not the only victim in history. I am also a victim, however, over 
 From this, this is a political affair.
  
   Therefore, 
  At some point, from the story, one will know who is 
 responsible for this kind of imprisonment, injustices and barbaric attacks 
 in human rights.
  
    What kind of reforms do you think are needed in criminal justice and prison system?
   
   This 
  It's a big issue that wants hours to answer. I can say 
 only one thing: first, laws do not apply as they have been written 
 to apply. Many laws are not in agreement with the Constitution. 
 They are unconstitutional, especially the Draconian laws. When you do something 
 Such, the laws are turning against democracy and the Constitution.
  
   Is 
  Naive to say that the law is abused. They themselves 
 Laws abuse the Constitution, therefore, by showing as responsible 
 the police officer or the politician, we lose the 
 important. The whole system works in this way.
  
   They create 
  Laws in such a way that one can only abuse them. 
 Cannot be used otherwise. The whole system must 
 change. What kind of laws do we have and why is the Constitution? When 
 Do you pass laws against constitutional provisions? All this must 
 change.
  
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      . For more about the prosecution of Saipaba, the popular movements and the People's War in India, see p.
      
       here
      
      and
      
       here
      
      .